Just got back on my first long trip with the 2.0 installed on a 2005 Jeep Liberty 2.8L diesel. First of all, the window sticker says it gets 22mpg city and 28mpg highway (never got that). I've plus sized the tires from 225/75r-16 to 245/75r-16 mud terrains. I've also got a ARB front bumper with Hella lights (heavy and huge drag). Now, with these additions and before I put in my 2.0, I got about 15mpg city and 22mpg highway. This trip, I had the whole family, cargo, and trailer with 16' aluminum boat (w/15 horse motor). I guesstimated a total of an extra 500lbs. of extra weight (not including myself), plus the weight and drag of the trailer and boat. I'm guessing the combined weight of the trailer and boat to be about 1200lbs. So, I drove up past Glacier National Park for the weekend with the Punch 2.0 installed and running between 30-40 amps. Getting there was mostly up hill and slightly into the wind. First tank I received 17.9mpg (95% highway). I stayed between 60-70mph the whole way without AC. On the way back we took a more level route. Had the same weights, no AC and 60-70mph----I got 20.6mpg. So....not spectacular numbers. What I don't yet know is what the Jeep would get on the same route without the extra weight, plus boat and trailer. I don't get out of town much, so I'm not sure when I'll get no load highway numbers. FYI, I used about an 1" of water total according to the fill gauge on the generator (about 300 miles). In conclusion, this isn't the most "scientific" test, but I do believe there is an increase---I'm guessing about 5mpg. (22% increase highway). I'll keep posting future results.
Just got back on my first long trip with the 2.0 installed on a 2005 Jeep Liberty 2.8L diesel. First of all, the window sticker says it gets 22mpg city and 28mpg highway (never got that). I've plus sized the tires from 225/75r-16 to 245/75r-16 mud terrains. I've also got a ARB front bumper with Hella lights (heavy and huge drag). Now, with these additions and before I put in my 2.0, I got about 15mpg city and 22mpg highway. This trip, I had the whole family, cargo, and trailer with 16' aluminum boat (w/15 horse motor). I guesstimated a total of an extra 500lbs. of extra weight (not including myself), plus the weight and drag of the trailer and boat. I'm guessing the combined weight of the trailer and boat to be about 1200lbs. So, I drove up past Glacier National Park for the weekend with the Punch 2.0 installed and running between 30-40 amps. Getting there was mostly up hill and slightly into the wind. First tank I received 17.9mpg (95% highway). I stayed between 60-70mph the whole way without AC. On the way back we took a more level route. Had the same weights, no AC and 60-70mph----I got 20.6mpg. So....not spectacular numbers. What I don't yet know is what the Jeep would get on the same route without the extra weight, plus boat and trailer. I don't get out of town much, so I'm not sure when I'll get no load highway numbers. FYI, I used about an 1" of water total according to the fill gauge on the generator (about 300 miles). In conclusion, this isn't the most "scientific" test, but I do believe there is an increase---I'm guessing about 5mpg. (22% increase highway). I'll keep posting future results.
Nicness! Hope yall had a great trip!
Ok...used a quarter tank in strictly city driving. I've been babying it for this. Running 2.0 now at between 40-50amps. Here's the result.......wait for it.....ready......14MPG!!!!!!! Are you f****** serious????? I got 15mpg in town without any HHO! My skeptisism is rising by the mile! Obviously, pumping more HHO into the diesel is not the answer. I'm going to get a MAP sensor enhancer (if I can find one to work with a 4-wire sensor) and do another test run. If it doesn't work, I'll be looking to send this 2.0 back and forget about this avenue of alternative fuel. Brutal truth with brutal numbers...
Ok...used a quarter tank in strictly city driving. I've been babying it for this. Running 2.0 now at between 40-50amps. Here's the result.......wait for it.....ready......14MPG!!!!!!! Are you f****** serious????? I got 15mpg in town without any HHO! My skeptisism is rising by the mile! Obviously, pumping more HHO into the diesel is not the answer. I'm going to get a MAP sensor enhancer (if I can find one to work with a 4-wire sensor) and do another test run. If it doesn't work, I'll be looking to send this 2.0 back and forget about this avenue of alternative fuel. Brutal truth with brutal numbers...
My understanding is that if you run HHO into your engine without modifying any of your sensors, what will happen is that your sensors will detect more oxygen ( the O part of HHO) and conclude that your gas mixture is running too lean and push more gas into your engine resulting in poorer gas mileage. What you have to do is tell your sensors what they are reading by using a MAP or OS2 sensor enhancer and thus lean out your gas mixture.
Thats the theory anyways. I will be very interested in seeing your results once you install the MAP sensor enhancer.
Good Luck!
Ok...used a quarter tank in strictly city driving. I've been babying it for this. Running 2.0 now at between 40-50amps. Here's the result.......wait for it.....ready......14MPG!!!!!!! Are you f****** serious????? I got 15mpg in town without any HHO! My skeptisism is rising by the mile! Obviously, pumping more HHO into the diesel is not the answer. I'm going to get a MAP sensor enhancer (if I can find one to work with a 4-wire sensor) and do another test run. If it doesn't work, I'll be looking to send this 2.0 back and forget about this avenue of alternative fuel. Brutal truth with brutal numbers...
My understanding is that if you run HHO into your engine without modifying any of your sensors, what will happen is that your sensors will detect more oxygen ( the O part of HHO) and conclude that your gas mixture is running too lean and push more gas into your engine resulting in poorer gas mileage. What you have to do is tell your sensors what they are reading by using a MAP or OS2 sensor enhancer and thus lean out your gas mixture.
Thats the theory anyways. I will be very interested in seeing your results once you install the MAP sensor enhancer.
Good Luck!
That was my understanding also. Tom said not to add a map enhancer---just more hho. Did just that and ended up with slightly worse mileage than stock. I just made a trip to radioshack for the map enhancer parts. Should be installed this weekend---if I can figure out how to wire a 4-wire map sensor.
Ok...used a quarter tank in strictly city driving. I've been babying it for this. Running 2.0 now at between 40-50amps. Here's the result.......wait for it.....ready......14MPG!!!!!!! Are you f****** serious????? I got 15mpg in town without any HHO! My skeptisism is rising by the mile! Obviously, pumping more HHO into the diesel is not the answer. I'm going to get a MAP sensor enhancer (if I can find one to work with a 4-wire sensor) and do another test run. If it doesn't work, I'll be looking to send this 2.0 back and forget about this avenue of alternative fuel. Brutal truth with brutal numbers...
My understanding is that if you run HHO into your engine without modifying any of your sensors, what will happen is that your sensors will detect more oxygen ( the O part of HHO) and conclude that your gas mixture is running too lean and push more gas into your engine resulting in poorer gas mileage. What you have to do is tell your sensors what they are reading by using a MAP or OS2 sensor enhancer and thus lean out your gas mixture.
Thats the theory anyways. I will be very interested in seeing your results once you install the MAP sensor enhancer.
Good Luck!
That was my understanding also. Tom said not to add a map enhancer---just more hho. Did just that and ended up with slightly worse mileage than stock. I just made a trip to radioshack for the map enhancer parts. Should be installed this weekend---if I can figure out how to wire a 4-wire map sensor.
Update...took a trip to radioshack for some map enhancer parts. Costed about $35 for everything to make a dual switch map enhancer, including tools. Got it installed finally after some frustration trying to find which wire goes where (any Jeep CRDers out there with the same problem--I've worked the bugs--lemme know). My hopes are rising! Let me tell you...this map enhancer thingy holds alot of power over your motor. I can basically control the total fuel flow with the turn of a dial. Now, I just took an hour drive playing with this thing and "dialing it in". Trick is definetly to find the sweet spot. Don't know about your rigs, but with mine if you lower the map reading too low, you'll start pinging and throw a...P039 code is it? Anywayz, if your engine light comes on--the ECU resorts to limp mode (bad). Fortunetly, I have a scangauge and can reset it on the fly and raise my map reading so it doesn't throw this code. My scangauge is pretty accurate now after a few fillups and adjustments. As you turn down the reading on your MAP sensor, your gallons per hour also go down, and your MPG's go up. The down side is--you lose a little power. More mpg's you want, the less power your going to have. Again, find the sweet spot. I believe I found mine--I was cruising at 65mph--scangauge read about 33mpg. This is very good. Oh, I was pumping out hho at 50amps at the time. This is very peliminary. I'm going to put about 60 miles on it and filler up and see what we get. If I get a gain, the bad thing is I don't know which contributed more to the gain--hho or enhancer. I'll do a run just using the enhancer without hho and compare it in the future. I believe I have found the key with this enhancer though. Auto manufacturers produce vehicles that have a balance of performance and gas mileage. This enhancer lets you choose any mixture of the two. See you in 60 miles...
Wally,
If you do a run with only the enhancer and no HHO you could fry your engine. You need to replace the fuel you are leaning back with HHO. After HHO is burned it becomes a water vapor and cools your engine on the way out. The HHO is what makes leaning possible. We strongly recommend not leaning without the HHO injection.
We are really excited about all of your testing and we are extreemly appreciative of your input here. We strongly advice you not to lean without HHO.
Wally,
If you do a run with only the enhancer and no HHO you could fry your engine. You need to replace the fuel you are leaning back with HHO. After HHO is burned it becomes a water vapor and cools your engine on the way out. The HHO is what makes leaning possible. We strongly recommend not leaning without the HHO injection.
We are really excited about all of your testing and we are extreemly appreciative of your input here. We strongly advice you not to lean without HHO.
Copy--thx for your call on this.
Wally,
I am making HHO business in my country. I ve found your experiment very exiting. I ve decided work with Punch products so that i ve ordered one sample product last week.
We ve fixed punch 1.0 model to our own car Skoda 1.4 TDi (VW motor); our notes are as folows;
Gas Production; Yes, punch product really produces what is written on the web, 1 liter per minutes. this production capacity is almost 10 times higher than our existing product that we sale our customer. we ve sold 140 pcs in the last 10 months.
Performance On The Car: Almost same with our product, we ve fixed punch system to the baggage of the car and used 5 meters pipe to connect to air in take. Therefore i thought that there are some system gas loses.
Fuel Consumption Difference : i ve read 4.2 liters/100 kms at 100 kms / hour speed after punch application, OEM value that we read at the gauge is 5.0 liter/100 km. we ve gained 0.8 liters/100 kms.
Acceleration 0-100 km/hour : almost same time duration, but after punch fuel consupmtion was 21 liter , OEM value 27 liter ; we ve have reached 6 liter lower consumption with punch.
İnstant Reaction: we ve noticed that punch product gives better reaction ability to the engine as an expected result.
At the end of our tests ( 100 kilometers travel) my notes says that punch product has given 15-20% develpment at the fuel consumption. Our mechanics who used the car during the test says that development was just between 10-15%.
Our city is at the mediterrenean sea side, average height is just 3 meters.
So that i ve decided to apply the MAP Enhancer besides punch 1.0 . Our existing system is different than punch, for example we directly give the HHO gas to the air manifolt of the engine.
I ve some questions to you;
1- Could you kindly inform us about where to supply MAP Enhancer ?
2- I ve found many Map product at the web. Could you inform us why did you choose the related product?
3- What were your preference criterias on it?
Regards
Eteman
Wally,
I am making HHO business in my country. I ve found your experiment very exiting. I ve decided work with Punch products so that i ve ordered one sample product last week.
We ve fixed punch 1.0 model to our own car Skoda 1.4 TDi (VW motor); our notes are as folows;
Gas Production; Yes, punch product really produces what is written on the web, 1 liter per minutes. this production capacity is almost 10 times higher than our existing product that we sale our customer. we ve sold 140 pcs in the last 10 months.
Performance On The Car: Almost same with our product, we ve fixed punch system to the baggage of the car and used 5 meters pipe to connect to air in take. Therefore i thought that there are some system gas loses.
Fuel Consumption Difference : i ve read 4.2 liters/100 kms at 100 kms / hour speed after punch application, OEM value that we read at the gauge is 5.0 liter/100 km. we ve gained 0.8 liters/100 kms.
Acceleration 0-100 km/hour : almost same time duration, but after punch fuel consupmtion was 21 liter , OEM value 27 liter ; we ve have reached 6 liter lower consumption with punch.
İnstant Reaction: we ve noticed that punch product gives better reaction ability to the engine as an expected result.
At the end of our tests ( 100 kilometers travel) my notes says that punch product has given 15-20% develpment at the fuel consumption. Our mechanics who used the car during the test says that development was just between 10-15%.
Our city is at the mediterrenean sea side, average height is just 3 meters.
So that i ve decided to apply the MAP Enhancer besides punch 1.0 . Our existing system is different than punch, for example we directly give the HHO gas to the air manifolt of the engine.
I ve some questions to you;
1- Could you kindly inform us about where to supply MAP Enhancer ?
2- I ve found many Map product at the web. Could you inform us why did you choose the related product?
3- What were your preference criterias on it?
Regards
Eteman
Good to hear your getting good gains over in that part of the world! There are many map enhancers on the web. I decided to build my own according to the directions in the water4gas manual (see http://www.water4gas.ca). I decided to order one online after I built my own. Mine works, but I cannot use the different settings for city and highway----I have to continually adjust it. I'm not very good with electronics and I feel much better relying on a professional product. Got one coming from the web now. It is a dual edge map sensor enhancer. You can turn the enhancer on and off, set it for driving in city and highway seperately. Dual edge MAP sensor enhancers are the way to go. Do a search on ebay and you'll find many different kinds. Good Luck!!